Legislature(2021 - 2022)ADAMS 519

05/18/2021 09:00 AM House FINANCE

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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 104 MOTOR FUEL TAX; VEHICLE REG. FEE TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
+ SB 71 COUNCIL ON ARTS: PLATES & MANAGE ART TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
<Pending Referral>
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HJR 1 CONST AM: PERMANENT FUND; POMV;EARNINGS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
HOUSE BILL NO. 104                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to vehicle registration and                                                                               
     registration fees; relating to the motor fuel tax; and                                                                     
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:06:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick RE-OPENED public testimony.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:07:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENISE  KOCH, SELF,  JUNEAU  (via  teleconference), was  the                                                                    
former  director of  the Division  of  Spill Prevention  and                                                                    
Response  (SPAR)  within  the  Department  of  Environmental                                                                    
Conservation  (DEC).  She  strongly supported  HB  104.  She                                                                    
urged  members  to  pass  the   bill  out  immediately.  She                                                                    
supported the  entire bill but wanted  to speak specifically                                                                    
to the  refined fuel surcharge provision.  It would increase                                                                    
the revenue for SPAR. She  explained that SPAR was unique at                                                                    
DEC  because  the  division  did  not  receive  undesignated                                                                    
general  funds.  Rather, it  was  a  user fee  program.  The                                                                    
refined  fuel surcharge  was  originally  passed to  provide                                                                    
SPAR with  sustainable funding. Unfortunately, at  the time,                                                                    
the Department  of Revenue (DOR)  underestimated collections                                                                    
and did not  identify exclusions. She thought  the effect of                                                                    
passing HB 104 would be  the facilitation of SPAR's original                                                                    
purpose.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Koch continued that SPAR  had a serious revenue problem.                                                                    
However, it was  not a result of  uncontrolled spending. The                                                                    
Division of Spill Prevention and  Response currently had the                                                                    
lowest amount of  staff in over 25 years. She  had worked at                                                                    
DEC over  the course  of many  years within  three different                                                                    
divisions. There  had always been  a pressure to  stay lean.                                                                    
She recalled  frequent conversations about  streamlining and                                                                    
efficiencies.  She  agreed  that  it was  good  to  apply  a                                                                    
critical  eye to  a  program making  changes  and cuts  when                                                                    
needed. However,  at the heart of  the work of SPAR  was its                                                                    
people.  Since 2015  SPAR had  eliminated 17  positions. She                                                                    
urged members  to pass  HB 104,  a sustainable  refined fuel                                                                    
surcharge bill which would help SPAR fulfill its mission.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:09:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  COONS,  PRESIDENT,   ASSOCIATION  OF  MATURE  AMERICAN                                                                    
CITIZENS,  PALMER  (AMAC)  (via  teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                    
opposition  to  HB 104.  He  pointed  to  a letter  sent  to                                                                    
Speaker  Stutes,  Representative  Tuck,  and  Representative                                                                    
Tilton  opposing  HB 104  from  AMAC.  The  letter  strongly                                                                    
opposed the  motor fuel tax  provisions of HB  104. Sections                                                                    
5, 6, 7, and 8 contained  the the fossil fuel tax increases.                                                                    
The  letter indicated  that the  taxes were  significant and                                                                    
punitive to Alaskans  on fixed and limited  incomes, such as                                                                    
seniors. He  suggested that  imposing more  taxes at  a time                                                                    
when the nation  and Alaska were struggling  to recover from                                                                    
the  economic adversity  resulting from  Covid-19 was  not a                                                                    
good idea.  He relayed  that such  taxes would  further hurt                                                                    
Alaska's  economy. He  also noted  that  energy taxes  would                                                                    
increase the state and local  government costs adding to the                                                                    
tax payer's burden.  He reiterated noted many  of the rising                                                                    
costs in  the nation.  He reiterated  his opposition  to the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:11:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BERT  HOUGHTALING,  SELF,  BIG  LAKE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
strongly opposed HB 104. He  spoke of Alaska's economy being                                                                    
decimated  by  Draconian  lockdowns   due  to  the  COVID-19                                                                    
pandemic. He reported many  businesses losing everything. He                                                                    
suggested  that folks  such  as himself  put  many miles  on                                                                    
their vehicles  and would  see their  bills increase  by the                                                                    
thousands. If  the bill  were to  pass, he  would personally                                                                    
experience a loss  of more than $1500 per year  to cover the                                                                    
gap increase. He would be forced  to pass the increase on to                                                                    
his  customers.  He queried  the  response  by the  trucking                                                                    
industry. He  thought it was  the wrong action at  the wrong                                                                    
time. He suggested that legislators  would not use the money                                                                    
raised  by the  tax for  its intended  purpose. He  implored                                                                    
members to reject HB 104.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:13:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Josephson  commented  that  his  office  had                                                                    
looked at  the claims made  by the testifier.  The testifier                                                                    
would have to drive 180,000  miles per year consuming 18,000                                                                    
gallons of  fuel to have an  increase in taxes of  $1500. He                                                                    
thought the testifier had overstated the issue.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter requested an at ease.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:14:27 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:16:19 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENNED                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  EICHENLAUB,   SELF,  WASILLA   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
opposed HB  104. He agreed  with the previous  testifier. He                                                                    
noted in the prior year an  exact match bill was offered and                                                                    
failed  to pass.  He recalled  contacting his  legislator to                                                                    
speak  in  opposition   of  the  bill.  At   the  time,  the                                                                    
legislator did  not support  the bill.  He hoped  they would                                                                    
continue to  oppose a  motor fuel tax  bill. He  argued that                                                                    
Alaska paid  the second  highest gas  prices in  the nation.                                                                    
All he  heard was that Alaska  paid the lowest tax  on motor                                                                    
fuel.  He  suggested that  if  Alaskans  paid more  in  fuel                                                                    
prices, they  should pay  less in taxes.  He thought  it was                                                                    
easier  to cut  $60  million from  the  budget, rather  than                                                                    
putting the burden on Alaskans.  The legislature was already                                                                    
taking their Permanent Fund Dividends (PFD) away.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:18:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen  asked how many miles  he drove per                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Eichenlaub  was retired but sympathized  with commuters.                                                                    
He estimated that a round  trip from the Mat-Su to Anchorage                                                                    
was about 100 miles.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:19:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARCY  SOWERS, SELF,  WASILLA (via  teleconference), opposed                                                                    
the  motor  fuel tax  legislation.  She  mentioned the  high                                                                    
price  for fuel  presently. She  thought increasing  the gas                                                                    
tax  would compound  financial issues  due  to the  economic                                                                    
crisis the  state was  in. She opposed  the bill.  She asked                                                                    
members to support the voice of the people.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:21:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Rasmussen  asked how  many miles  her husband                                                                    
drove per year.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Sowers  was uncertain.  However, she drove  to Anchorage                                                                    
for  medical  appointments  frequently.  She  did  not  want                                                                    
things more difficult for Alaskans.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:22:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Merrick CLOSED public testimony.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick asked  Ms. Larson  from the  Department of                                                                    
Environmental Conservation  (DEC) to  review one of  the two                                                                    
fiscal notes from the department (control code: MEOOQH).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:23:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TIFFANY LARSON,  DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF SPILL  PREVENTION AND                                                                    
RESPONSE,   DEPARTMENT    OF   ENVIRONMENTAL   CONSERVATION,                                                                    
FAIRBANKS (via teleconference),  indicated DEC's fiscal note                                                                    
was zero.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:23:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick   directed  Ms.  Reynolds  from   the  Tax                                                                    
Division  to review  the department's  fiscal note  (control                                                                    
code: KLFPY).                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:24:01 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICOLE REYNOLDS,  DEPUTY DIRECTOR, TAX  DIVISION, DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF  REVENUE  (via  teleconference), relayed  the  department                                                                    
estimated  that the  increase in  the  fuel surcharge  would                                                                    
generate about  $1.5 million  of new revenue  in FY  22. The                                                                    
department estimated an increase  in revenue of $3.7 million                                                                    
in FY 23.  The amount of revenue would reduce  to about $3.4                                                                    
million by FY  27. The surcharge revenue  would be deposited                                                                    
into the  unrestricted general  fund. However,  the proceeds                                                                    
would  be set  aside  for the  oil  and hazardous  substance                                                                    
release prevention account.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Reynolds  continued that  as  for  the tax  and  refund                                                                    
provisions of the  bill, the department estimated  for FY 22                                                                    
there  would  be  an increase  in  designated  general  fund                                                                    
revenues  in the  amount  of  $12.2 million.  In  FY 23  the                                                                    
amount would increase to about  $31.35 million. By FY 27 the                                                                    
amount would reduce to approximately $29.7 million.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:25:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Carpenter asked why  the revenue was doubling                                                                    
between FY 22 and FY 23.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Reynolds explained  that the bill had  an effective date                                                                    
of  January 1,  2022 which  was halfway  through the  fiscal                                                                    
year. The  numbers for  FY 22 represented  half of  a fiscal                                                                    
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:26:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick asked  Mr. Schmitz  from  the Division  of                                                                    
Motor  Vehicles  to  review  the  department's  fiscal  note                                                                    
(control code: JLZKL).                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JEFFREY  SCHMITZ,  DIRECTOR,  DIVISION  OF  MOTOR  VEHICLES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF  REVENUE (via teleconference),  explained that                                                                    
the fiscal  note, related  to section 3  of the  bill, dealt                                                                    
with registration  fees for electric vehicles.  It reflected                                                                    
programming costs  necessary to  alter the DMV's  system and                                                                    
anticipated   revenues  resulting   from  the   increase  in                                                                    
registration fees for electric vehicles.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick asked  Mr. Mills  from  the Department  of                                                                    
Transportation  and Public  Facilities (DOT)  to review  the                                                                    
department's fiscal note (control code: RBASY).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:28:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ANDY   MILLS,  SPECIAL   ASSISTANT   TO  THE   COMMISSIONER,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT  OF  TRANSPORTATION  AND PUBLIC  FACILITIES  (via                                                                    
teleconference),  reported  the   fiscal  note  reflected  a                                                                    
decline in motor  fuel tax over several  years that impacted                                                                    
the   two  results   delivery  units   (RDU's)  within   the                                                                    
department.  He   indicated  the  Highways,   Aviation,  and                                                                    
Facilities RDU  had experienced a shortfall.  Motor fuel tax                                                                    
constituted  about one-fourth  of  the funding  for the  RDU                                                                    
that was further appropriated to  the three regional highway                                                                    
and aviation  components for  DOT: Northern  Region, Central                                                                    
Region, and South Coast Region.  The receipts the department                                                                    
received  for  the  Alaska   Marine  Highway  System  (AMHS)                                                                    
constituted about  3 percent of  funding for  AMHS. Receipts                                                                    
had  declined over  the  years due  to  hybrid and  electric                                                                    
vehicle  promulgating on  the streets.  Also,  in the  prior                                                                    
year because of Covid-19 there were  not as many cars on the                                                                    
road. There  was approximately  $4.4 million  less in  FY 21                                                                    
with  an  estimated  shortfall  in FY  22  of  $600,000.  He                                                                    
pointed  to  the list  on  the  bottom  of the  fiscal  note                                                                    
showing  what things  might be  accomplished with  increased                                                                    
motor fuel tax receipts. The list  was first seen in a slide                                                                    
presentation on the committee's first hearing of the bill.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:30:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick   directed  Ms.   Kostik  to   review  the                                                                    
department's fiscal note (control code: MEOQH).                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
RUTH  KOSTIK, ADMINISTRATIVE  SERVICES DIRECTOR,  DEPARTMENT                                                                    
OF   ENVIRONMENTAL    CONSERVATION   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
reported that  the fiscal note reflected  the funds transfer                                                                    
of the  refined fuel  surcharge from  the general  fund into                                                                    
the prevention  account of the  oil and  hazardous substance                                                                    
release prevention and response fund.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:31:00 AM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:32:58 AM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENNED                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Merrick   relayed  that   she  would   provide  an                                                                    
amendment deadline at the afternoon's meeting.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB  104  was  HEARD  and   HELD  in  committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 104 Public Testimony by 051721.pdf HFIN 5/18/2021 9:00:00 AM
HB 104
HJR 1 Public Testimony by 051921.pdf HFIN 5/18/2021 9:00:00 AM
HJR 1